tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post2622160786763290709..comments2023-06-12T17:08:36.320+01:00Comments on How Publishing <i>Really</i> Works: Reviewers Wanted!Jane Smithhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03411253302725735470noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-66550847967993192902009-08-18T18:03:13.474+01:002009-08-18T18:03:13.474+01:00I use WriteItNow by Novel Writing Software, and am...I use WriteItNow by Novel Writing Software, and am very happy with it. We all have unique creative process, and finding the right tool is a personal journey.<br /><br />Benefits of WriteItNow:<br /><br />- Chapters can easily be accessed and moved around<br />- Notes and ideas can be created on the fly and are easy to review<br />- Character names and attributes can be created and inventoried as inspiration strikes<br />- Events can be listed as the story unfold, and linked to characters<br />- Location can be identified to allow consistent narrative from one chapter to the next.<br />- Easy to use and inexpensive<br />- Can be exported in rtf, text, or html format for easy printing and emailing<br />- Has a timeline, when events have to be intricately timed<br />- Provide a submission tracker<br /><br />In all, it has provided me a wealth of benefits over over MS Word. With Word, I had to navigate from page 25 to page 103 just to find a reference to a character in a given chapter. When the story grows it becomes cumbersome to navigate within the document. And I hate to see what a project would look like with post-it notes, scribble on paper napkins, random notes that are forgotten, etc.<br /><br />I am very happy with WriteItNow.<br /><br />ChristopheChristophenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-26338277143845630032009-08-12T07:01:22.249+01:002009-08-12T07:01:22.249+01:00You know Captain Black it all sounds great - but, ...You know Captain Black it all sounds great - but, as a cat, I think I have to follow the line of 'use it or lose it' and rely on using my memory. A little paw print here and there helps but I think it might depend on how the writer writes. If you are the sort of writer who has each chapter mapped out before you start it might be very useful. If, like me, you dive straight in and test the depth then it might not get used at all. Of course my fur gets wet sometimes (I hate that - but you do dry off)and sometimes you hit the bottom very rapidly or you find yourself out of your depth - but I still cannot do depth soundings first.catdownunderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959328192182156574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-27529570763089117002009-08-11T18:08:32.307+01:002009-08-11T18:08:32.307+01:00I've found this discussion very interesting. W...I've found this discussion very interesting. Why? Because I'm actually an out-of-work software developer with a strong interest in writing. Don't worry, this isn't spam nor a sales pitch. I'm gathering ideas about writing related software and this posting has given me more food for thought.<br /><br />If I may venture some observations...<br /><br />* There are many word-processors and authors are likely to find (and stick to) their favourite. These are little more than typewriters, as far as they are concerned.<br /><br />* DOC, PDF and RTF seem to be the only file formats accepted by the publishing industry.<br /><br />* Spelling checkers and grammar checkers have very limited usefulness.<br /><br />* There are many specialised software tools and add-ons that can assist authors, particularly those with physical disabilities.<br /><br />* Software that claims to assist in the actual creation and thinking processes of writing (e.g. making you a better writer) are snake oil.<br /><br />* Some software helps you to organise your work.<br /><br />I'm very interested in the possibility of developing software that covers the last point. Software that can manage the creation, storage, organisation and inter-relationships between the artefacts that make up any story. Artefacts such as: characters, places, events, time lines, storyboards, scenes, chapters, notes, to-do lists, issues to resolve and probably many more.<br /><br />I've only seen a couple of packages that attempt to do this, Y-Writer and WriteItNow for examples. Other authors seem to use a disparate collection of separate tools to achieve the same goals. If there was a single suite that could do this job, would you be interested? What makes you shout and curse at your current software? What do you wish it did that it doesn't do?<br /><br />To re-iterate: this isn't a sales pitch. I'm thinking of developing some freeware along these lines. What do you think?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-51607121843199099112009-08-05T20:28:11.498+01:002009-08-05T20:28:11.498+01:00I use Scrivener. It doesn't make you write bet...I use Scrivener. It doesn't make you write better, or anything, but it really does help you to organise and structure your work. The key thing for me is that you can attach a synopsis to any chunk of writing (you can also attach keywords, which may include characters, locations and anything else that you specify). Once you've done this, you can get an overview of your work, and drag and drop sections into any order you want.<br /><br />Compatability is not an issue - you can output all or part of the work as RTF or other formats.<br /><br />It also has a scriptwriting mode that does all the formatting for you. It is Mac-only, but if you've invested in a proper computer, you certainly won't regret the $30 or so that Scrivener costs.Keefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04820411415545249138noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-80132550466649457492009-08-05T14:29:56.080+01:002009-08-05T14:29:56.080+01:00I've written both my novels using free YWriter...I've written both my novels using free YWriter software and find it MUCH easier than constantly scrolling up and down in Word - it makes 100,000 words much more manageable, especially when it comes to swapping scenes around and working out which characters are in which scene. I'll try and write a review for you over the next couple of days if I have time.CL Taylorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04650291635298634215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-38128374136535588812009-08-05T03:19:39.419+01:002009-08-05T03:19:39.419+01:00Hi Jane, I use Scrivener and find it very useful f...Hi Jane, I use Scrivener and find it very useful for managing longer forms of writing. Aside from blacking out the screen to avoid distractions like MichelleJ mentioned, it allows you to divide your work into folders easily accessed along a sidebar on the left. I use it to organize my chapters, so if I've left off on page 137 in Chapter 8, the next time I open the document I don't have to scroll through those pages; I just click on the Chapter 8 tab. It also has a trash bin that stores unwanted chunks of writing, which I love because I don't believe in permanently deleting any writing, no matter how terrible it seems at the time. I've found a few treasures buried deep in my trash bin months after I threw them out.<br /><br />In every other way, though, Scrivener is basically a word processor with a few extra tools thrown in (there's a "cork board" for notes and an outlining tool). I wouldn't say it helps you write so much as it helps you get organized. Whereas in Word, you may have multiple documents for outlines, notes, etc., Scrivener keeps them all in one file and window so you can switch easily between them. For shorter projects, I still use MS Word, though.Natalia Maldonadohttp://www.nmaldonado.com/blognoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-31113435674443620312009-08-05T02:16:42.789+01:002009-08-05T02:16:42.789+01:00Nicola, when you do remember the name of that prog...Nicola, when you do remember the name of that programme I can think of someone who might be able to use it! :-) (It's all right I am working - truly!)catdownunderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959328192182156574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-66415345638833339842009-08-05T02:07:32.759+01:002009-08-05T02:07:32.759+01:00I've used a couple of writing software package...I've used a couple of writing software packages in the past, and always found them wanting. <br /><br />Then I found liquid story binder. At first I almost threw the thing in the bin - it has a steep learning curve. But once I got the hang of it, it has become a really useful tool. <br /><br />It doesn't 'help you write', or make any suggestions about what you write. I think any program that claims to make you a better writer is feeding on the ignorance of newbie writers.<br /><br />What it does do is help me organise and find all my pages of worldbuilding, character notes, outlines, plots, ideas and reminders. <br /><br />It really is just a big box of index cards, with the added bonus that you can turn outlines into chapters, link characters, track common word usage (I have a problem with 'back') and make notes as you work. <br /><br />You can then export the whole thing to an .rtf file.<br /><br />I heartily recommend it, but only for 1. new projects, and 2. when you have a couple of days spare to get your head around it.<br /><br />If someone would write a decent manual to go with it, I would be in heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-2072532932313705132009-08-04T19:23:16.372+01:002009-08-04T19:23:16.372+01:00Thanks, Derek.Thanks, Derek.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-45049166000821420952009-08-04T19:23:03.055+01:002009-08-04T19:23:03.055+01:00Thanks, Derek.Thanks, Derek.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-37286133754282729152009-08-04T17:41:53.121+01:002009-08-04T17:41:53.121+01:00When it comes to the actual writing, I don't u...When it comes to the actual writing, I don't use anything other than a straightforward word processor myself. I suppose I also occasionally use things like spreadsheets to keep track of what's happening in the various chapters too. But I'm not convinced you need dedicated writing software.<br /><br />One thing I do use, though, is my own submission tracking software, which I find invaluable for keeping tabs on what I've submitted where. It's a pretty simple beast but does a useful job. Not sure if this is the sort of thing you mean?<br /><br />Lest you think I'm spamming, I can assure you the software is completely free to <a href="http://www.simonkewin.co.uk/writedb.htm" rel="nofollow">download</a>!Simon Kewinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11537163555998763769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-90344094400813862402009-08-04T14:36:10.458+01:002009-08-04T14:36:10.458+01:00God, those freaky spammers, Jane. (And I thought L...God, those freaky spammers, Jane. (And I thought Latex must be one too!)<br /><br />I am about to say something unhelpful because I can't remember the name of the thing I want to mention, and also it isn't really important enough to write a review of. BUT ... it's a piece of free software that starts to make a horrible noise at you when you stop writing for more than a few seconds. You can choose between different horrible noises - like fingers on blackboards, or a baby crying, or nasty whistling, and the only way to stop the horrible noises is to WRITE. <br /><br />Talking of which ...Nicola Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12189894289540344094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-12690190733078844192009-08-04T14:09:51.690+01:002009-08-04T14:09:51.690+01:00Buffy -- there are some versions of Open Office fo...Buffy -- there are some versions of Open Office for Mac. See list of what's available here:<br /><br />http://download.openoffice.org/other.html#en-USDerekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161696211557610509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-7919570874062823122009-08-04T13:25:06.766+01:002009-08-04T13:25:06.766+01:00Thanks, SleepyJohn. Unfortunately, my father has ...Thanks, SleepyJohn. Unfortunately, my father has a Mac :D.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-71583786208201938682009-08-04T13:06:59.544+01:002009-08-04T13:06:59.544+01:00PS BuffySquirrel,
You can download OpenOffice fr...PS BuffySquirrel,<br /><br />You can download OpenOffice from www.openoffice.org and a free trial of Softmaker Office (containing Textmaker) from www.softmaker.com<br /><br />Both have versions for Windows and for Linux. I only use the latter but assume that it works as well in Windows.SleepyJohnhttp://blog.7-books.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-16248986537453738212009-08-04T12:51:34.577+01:002009-08-04T12:51:34.577+01:00BuffySquirrel,
Your father should try OpenOffice, ...BuffySquirrel,<br />Your father should try OpenOffice, which is similar to Word but is free to download. Both, as you note, are mainly designed for husiness use, and have a mass of features of little or no interest to writers, but at least with OO you are not paying for them.<br /><br />I use Textmaker, part of a suite made by a German company. It costs $79 for word processor, spreadsheet, presentations and a language to automate tasks, and it is much smaller, faster and simpler to use than either of the others. I would recommend it, and it has been highly reviewed on the net. Both Textmaker and OpenOffice export to PDF, which I understand Word does not.SleepyJohnhttp://blog.7-books.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-14564791488105529552009-08-04T11:23:03.523+01:002009-08-04T11:23:03.523+01:00My father was thinking about buying MS Word, but w...My father was thinking about buying MS Word, but worried about the number of features he wouldn't need.<br /><br />You can turn them off, I said.<br /><br />But I'll have PAID for them, he said.<br /><br />I have no idea what kind of writer Word was created for--the business writer?--but it sure wasn't created with the fiction writer in mind. This is also true of WP, but I find it less annoying.nonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-75643922136093765592009-08-04T09:30:07.866+01:002009-08-04T09:30:07.866+01:00If you haven't seen 'write or die' yet...If you haven't seen 'write or die' yet, then I'd say it's well worth a look. It's a web-based app that really does stop the procrastination!<br /><br />http://lab.drwicked.com/writeordie.html<br /><br />DO NOT forget to save anything you write there!Elen Caldecottnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-15749801420390795922009-08-04T08:13:25.761+01:002009-08-04T08:13:25.761+01:00I use Writer's Cafe to store and organise note...I use Writer's Cafe to store and organise notes, plot lines etc. and good old Word to actually type it in (although when I say 'good ole Word', I have the latest version now and it's horrible).<br /><br />I'll send you a review of Writer's Cafe Jane.<br /><br />Oh and I've also used New Novelist in the past and did not get on with it all, it was far too prescriptive.Lacerhttp://lacer.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-50806778086666879812009-08-04T04:25:30.343+01:002009-08-04T04:25:30.343+01:00As catdownunder observes, many of the functions of...As catdownunder observes, many of the functions of a modern word processor are quite unnecessary for most writers, perhaps even dangerous. Do not be misled into thinking that a spellchecker checks spelling, for example. It does not. It has no idea what spelling is; it simply checks the screen to see if there are any shapes that it does not recognise from the list it holds. If it finds one, it will suggest another shape that it does recognise. Its great talent is turning badly spelt clear writing into perfectly spelt gobbledygook. Spell-checked documents are easy to spot, being full of phrases like 'the bough of the boat', 'these affect on spill chequers' and so on, a bit like a Google translation from Nepalese. And don't start me on grammar checkers, please! I turn all these things off and use my eyes.<br /><br />It is important to decide what level of presentation you require - just words in the right order or a full-fledged, formatted PDF file that can be emailed straight to a print shop. A decent word processor will do both and everything in between, so when your masterpiece is finished you can choose what you like. You do not have to learn anything about the program beyond the level you need. But you do need to learn that. Part of the problem with computerised writing is the perception created by Windows that any idiot can do it without having to learn how. Not so. If you wanted to keep bees, you would learn how to do so first, wouldn't you? Word processing is no different.<br /><br />When you have learnt, you will find it a most versatile tool that can produce anything from a shopping list to a print-ready book. The problem with specialist programs that may do some particular thing very well is the time they take to learn. You may find one useful if you write frequent movie scripts or textbooks, but for general writing a word processor is good; much better than a lump of stone and a chisel. I might elaborate on this in my blog some time (click my name).SleepyJohnhttp://blog.7-books.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-68216941135816527742009-08-03T23:07:52.889+01:002009-08-03T23:07:52.889+01:00LaTex is typesetting freeware. It has nothing to d...LaTex is typesetting freeware. It has nothing to do with writing at all.Derekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07161696211557610509noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-92065810439227086752009-08-03T22:51:24.181+01:002009-08-03T22:51:24.181+01:00One of these days Jane - when I get rich on my unw...One of these days Jane - when I get rich on my unwritten best selling novel? <br />I really fail to see how any programme (as opposed to a tool like the Dragon) can help anyone write. Even the use of a so-called "spell-checker" is fraught with difficulties. I have seen "grammar" suggestions which are - well, strange. (I am endeavouring to be polite here.) If anyone is advertising something which supposedly helps the writer put ideas on the page and edit them into language which, as Nicola Morgan would put it, has a "voice" then - it has to be a con job. Such things do not exist. Nothing is going to take the hard slog out of writing, especially good writing. There is no easy way to do it. <br />Using Dragon to put the ideas down is something entirely different. Dragon does not write for you. It's just a voice-pen. (Sorry Dragon I do not want to hurt your scaly feelings but you have to admit that is really your function.) <br />Anything claiming to be more than that in the creativity stakes would send my fur in all directions. I don't know EndNote but that sounds like a tool too - not some "I can do the writing for you" programme. Such things do not exist. Anything which claims to be that is not something I would spend money on.catdownunderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06959328192182156574noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-28721860237713017982009-08-03T22:47:34.447+01:002009-08-03T22:47:34.447+01:00I use WordPerfect. Anything else is just cat-vacuu...I use WordPerfect. Anything else is just cat-vacuuming :Dnonehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00415222406280230021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-30606842038437610272009-08-03T22:14:42.606+01:002009-08-03T22:14:42.606+01:00Damn. I was hoping I had ANOTHER opportunity to g...Damn. I was hoping I had ANOTHER opportunity to get all outraged. Never mind. One's bound to be along sooner or later.Jane Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03411253302725735470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5519912440753252776.post-5271768696806755932009-08-03T22:08:47.666+01:002009-08-03T22:08:47.666+01:00Sadly Jane LaTeX isn't anything perverted or d...Sadly Jane LaTeX isn't anything perverted or disgusting, it's (I believe) a postscript based printing/output program originally from Tex on Linux, and, hence, highly unusable by most people. Popular amongst scientists I believe.j purdiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07141166257366384474noreply@blogger.com